I had two year olds in day care. Because I HAD to. Did they grow up to be serial killers? I thought not.
There's nothing wrong with day care. In fact it's probably better for many children, who would be frikkin BORED hanging out with the same single person day after day after day. Most kids like other kids. Why shouldn't they play with their peers?
was still able to deal with my kids instead of saying that there oughta be a law that the day care providers can't expell them. Your kids didn't get expelled, which is probably WHY you were still able to deal.
The hateful part is that he makes it clear that the reason they need a nanny is because this guy wants to "be a writer" instead of getting a real job that will enable him to let his wife stay at home, which she doesn't want to do, because her "work" is more important to her.
*baffled* Why on earth is it hateful that OMG women want to WORK?? Are you a refugee from the 50s or something? Who CARES which sex the working spouse is? I'm pretty sure you don't need a vagina and boobs to change a diaper or play peek-a-boo.
Why shouldn't SHE be the one going out to get a "Real job" so that HE can stay home?
Personally, I think that most people want to work some AND spend some time raising a family. I don't see why we as a society can't make that happen.
I totally made that happen for my own family, go me.
They can both work and or both stay home, but they're BOTH hateful. My vitriol was that she's the one buying into the fifties - the idea that work outside of the children is more valuable is an idea of that era, not the idea that staying home with your kids is of value.
My vitriol was that she's the one buying into the fifties -the idea that work outside of the children is more valuable is an idea of that era, not the idea that staying home with your kids is of value.
Maybe she just WANTS TO WORK. Did you not read the bit where she TRIED 24/7 child care and it drove her crazy?
Not all women (or men) are made for constant childcare. We're not all good at it, and we don't all want to do it.
No, we don't. But it's not that she didn't want to do it at all, it's that she didn't even want him in the house. It's totally understandable but these people have NO sense of balance, at least at they come off in the article.
I know that's how it comes across, but look at the reality. They have their son all evening long and all weekend long. That's probably more than most parents!
There's nothing wrong with day care. In fact it's probably better for many children, who would be frikkin BORED hanging out with the same single person day after day after day. Most kids like other kids. Why shouldn't they play with their peers?
The fucking day care is a fucking warehouse of kids who have a fucking rotating crew of staff so their fucking attachment skills are getting all fucked up and they are there all fuckign day long and they get tired and bitey.
The fucking day care is a fucking warehouse of kids who have a fucking rotating crew of staff so their fucking attachment skills are getting all fucked up and they are there all fuckign day long and they get tired and bitey.
So your kids bit then? Since they were in day care? And they had no attachment skills?
Obviously, E's behavior wasn't the norm. Therefore day care isn't responsible for it. My belief is that some kids are just biters. E.g., my cousin bit; his brother (raised by same parents) never did.
Naw, hyperbole/internet. My kids didn't bite. They cried.
I agree, some kids bite - but every day? To the point of drawing blood? I don't entirely disagree with you - for instance, with a two year old, it's good to get some day care if they're rambunctious, since the day care providers have energy that you might not have if they aren't good sleepers.
I just don't think day care all day long, every day, is an optimal situation for children. And these parents 1) could easily make day care time minimal 2) seem to be a lot more concerned with their own fulfillment.
It's not abnormal for one kid to be bitey when another is not. In particular, smaller, weaker children are more likely to bite - they have to, if they want to keep a place in a pecking order including bigger, stronger kids.
But biting BLOODY is NOT normal. That is a serious issue that needs to get addressed, and in a big way. Try a little experiment: bite your finger. Bite it HARD. REAL freaking hard. Didn't draw any blood, did you? You've got to seriously do some hardcore clamping, WAY past proving any particular point or making another child stop doing something / give you something / etc before you get to the point of inflicting bloody wounds.
So no, sorry, I'm not buying that "oh it's just the vagaries of that particular kid." The kid's got serious issues, and you can speculate as to what's "chemicals in the brain" and what's "a fucked up home life where his parents do their best to avoid him as much as possible," but either way it just isn't normal.
You're wrong. Flat out, I call bullshit. Like I said, my oldest daughter was a biter, at 2, when we brought her sister home from the hospital. She bit down HARD, and never once drew blood, on either me or another child, it takes a LOT of effort, even for a kid with super sharp teeth to draw blood. And again, you're showing your stupidity.
By the way, the reason she bit, was because we had a new baby, with a health problem, and she wasn't getting enough attention for a while. When we realized what the problem was and addressed it (let her 'help' with the baby stuff, spent one on one time with her while the other spouse took care of the baby etc.), the biting stopped.
What is with you? I haven't responded to your last 6 or 7 comments to me because it's pointless and you're boring. Yet you keep obsessively following me around and yelling.
Hmm... following you around? How? By reading my friendslist? Talking to my friend that you're claiming has no idea what he's talking about when you admit that you have no experience with the subject yourself (he does, by the way, not having kids f your own doesn't always mean that you're inexperienced with children)? Not quite hon. And yelling? Where? Calling you stupid, yes, but yelling, no, have yet to yell.
Nice try at avoiding what I said though. Since you have no clue what you're talking about I'd suggest that you pack your shit up and quit arguing with people who do know what they're talking about.
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Date: 2005-06-01 04:48 pm (UTC)Did they grow up to be serial killers? I thought not.
There's nothing wrong with day care. In fact it's probably better for many children, who would be frikkin BORED hanging out with the same single person day after day after day. Most kids like other kids. Why shouldn't they play with their peers?
was still able to deal with my kids instead of saying that there oughta be a law that the day care providers can't expell them.
Your kids didn't get expelled, which is probably WHY you were still able to deal.
The hateful part is that he makes it clear that the reason they need a nanny is because this guy wants to "be a writer" instead of getting a real job that will enable him to let his wife stay at home, which she doesn't want to do, because her "work" is more important to her.
*baffled* Why on earth is it hateful that OMG women want to WORK?? Are you a refugee from the 50s or something? Who CARES which sex the working spouse is? I'm pretty sure you don't need a vagina and boobs to change a diaper or play peek-a-boo.
Why shouldn't SHE be the one going out to get a "Real job" so that HE can stay home?
Personally, I think that most people want to work some AND spend some time raising a family. I don't see why we as a society can't make that happen.
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Date: 2005-06-01 05:06 pm (UTC)They can both work and or both stay home, but they're BOTH hateful. My vitriol was that she's the one buying into the fifties - the idea that work outside of the children is more valuable is an idea of that era, not the idea that staying home with your kids is of value.
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Date: 2005-06-01 05:45 pm (UTC)Maybe she just WANTS TO WORK. Did you not read the bit where she TRIED 24/7 child care and it drove her crazy?
Not all women (or men) are made for constant childcare. We're not all good at it, and we don't all want to do it.
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Date: 2005-06-01 05:47 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-06-01 05:52 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-06-01 05:08 pm (UTC)There's nothing wrong with day care. In fact it's probably better for many children, who would be frikkin BORED hanging out with the same single person day after day after day. Most kids like other kids. Why shouldn't they play with their peers?
It's called the fucking playground at the park.
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Date: 2005-06-01 05:46 pm (UTC)It's called the fucking playground at the park.
Or it's called the fucking playground at the daycare.
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Date: 2005-06-01 05:48 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-06-01 05:54 pm (UTC)So your kids bit then? Since they were in day care? And they had no attachment skills?
Obviously, E's behavior wasn't the norm. Therefore day care isn't responsible for it. My belief is that some kids are just biters. E.g., my cousin bit; his brother (raised by same parents) never did.
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Date: 2005-06-01 05:58 pm (UTC)I agree, some kids bite - but every day? To the point of drawing blood? I don't entirely disagree with you - for instance, with a two year old, it's good to get some day care if they're rambunctious, since the day care providers have energy that you might not have if they aren't good sleepers.
I just don't think day care all day long, every day, is an optimal situation for children. And these parents 1) could easily make day care time minimal 2) seem to be a lot more concerned with their own fulfillment.
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Date: 2005-06-02 03:27 am (UTC)But biting BLOODY is NOT normal. That is a serious issue that needs to get addressed, and in a big way. Try a little experiment: bite your finger. Bite it HARD. REAL freaking hard. Didn't draw any blood, did you? You've got to seriously do some hardcore clamping, WAY past proving any particular point or making another child stop doing something / give you something / etc before you get to the point of inflicting bloody wounds.
So no, sorry, I'm not buying that "oh it's just the vagaries of that particular kid." The kid's got serious issues, and you can speculate as to what's "chemicals in the brain" and what's "a fucked up home life where his parents do their best to avoid him as much as possible," but either way it just isn't normal.
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Date: 2005-06-02 03:58 am (UTC)Children have sharper teeth than adults. I have a child right here to prove it.
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Date: 2005-06-02 04:05 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-06-02 10:50 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-06-02 10:57 pm (UTC)By the way, the reason she bit, was because we had a new baby, with a health problem, and she wasn't getting enough attention for a while. When we realized what the problem was and addressed it (let her 'help' with the baby stuff, spent one on one time with her while the other spouse took care of the baby etc.), the biting stopped.
get a life
Date: 2005-06-02 11:09 pm (UTC)It's like I'm Sophie and you're Elijah. :D
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Date: 2005-06-02 11:17 pm (UTC)Nice try at avoiding what I said though. Since you have no clue what you're talking about I'd suggest that you pack your shit up and quit arguing with people who do know what they're talking about.
Any response to the actual topic? I though not.