ok...

[lauralh]

The next guy who is "ashamed" of his gender or "makes a public apology" for his gender, may as well just hand me a knife so I can cut his balls off. I mean clearly he's not using them.

Ladies: do you ever hear of something stupid a woman does and feel like you need to apologize for her? I sure as hell don't.

I just don't understand it. You were born either one way or another, it wasn't something you had any control over. Do guys just take "brotherhood" so seriously they feel guilty for bad things other men do? Or are they just trying to impress women this way? If the latter I'm going to excuse it briefly and just yell at women who fall for it.

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[katyakoshka.livejournal.com]

Do guys just take "brotherhood" so seriously they feel guilty for bad things other men do? Or are they just trying to impress women this way? If the latter I'm going to excuse it briefly and just yell at women who fall for it.

The latter. I'll join the others saying it's a "look, see, I'm a sensitive guy" ploy to get in women's pants.

[ernunnos.livejournal.com]

Men are simple creatures. When in doubt, assume they're trying to get into your pants.

Shocked, I say shocked!

[perich.livejournal.com]

*gasp* How crudely insensitive! How utterly Neanderthal!

I wish to apologize on behalf of my gender.

Re: Shocked, I say shocked!

[herbaliser.livejournal.com]

that's not funny.

Re: Shocked, I say shocked!

[perich.livejournal.com]

Come on, you smirked.

[billyfleetwood.livejournal.com]

are you hypothesizing that these guys are regular macho pinheads, who are merely pretending to be sensitive to get laid? Sounds farfetched to me. I think there really is an entire generation of men who truly do believe that masculinity is a bad thing. Why do they believe this? because women have been screaming it from the rooftops for the past 30 odd years. What noone told these guys is that women rarely say what they actually mean.

"I just want to be listened to", really means, "I just want to talk more, I don't really expect you to listen, because if you did, I wouldn't have anything to complain to my girlfriends about"

But these guys never got that memo, and yeah they're out there, emoting and being supportive, and listening and shit. and not getting ANY pussy. None. I've met these guys. They're the ones who will be in a room full of men, No women for miles in any direction, and they will claim they don't like strip clubs....

Whatever, dude. More lapdances for me. If you've internalized your masculine guilt to the point that you can't admit to a room full of men that strip clubs are awesome? Really really super awesome!!! That ain't a ruse, that's mental illness.

That's why it's implausible that the sensitive guy angle would be adopted as a booty-gatherin' strategy. It only works on closet lesbians,and everyone involved is usually confused and miserable. I think any guy who was trying to devise a ploy to get into a woman's pants would probably come up with something way easier and with a higher rate of success. Like getting them drunk and then ignoring them. That's like opening a can of Lipton's instant booty and adding water.

p.s. yes, men do exhibit a certain amount of brotherhood.I know it's hard for women to understand, what with their irrational blind hatred for all other members of their own gender, but the concept of bro-hood does exist, and actually comes in handy when the Germans get a little uppity, as they're wont to do every once in a while. Yeah Swarzenegger, don't think we won't be watching your ass. One day his boots are gonna get a little too shiny, and the people of california are gonna start thinking long and hard about Gary Coleman's leadership abilities.And I don't wanna hear that "But he's Austrian" crap. Austria is like the Nazi version of the MTV Beach house.

Sorry, I got a little off topic there.

[herbaliser.livejournal.com]

you so rock.

[hotcrab.livejournal.com]

I've been trying to talk to people about this very issue for years, but no one ever wants to listen.

[herbaliser.livejournal.com]

i'm going to post his comment in a separate thingy, methinks.

[jimbojones.livejournal.com]

That's like opening a can of Lipton's instant booty and adding water.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

[katyakoshka.livejournal.com]

I think there really is an entire generation of men who truly do believe that masculinity is a bad thing.

You know, you are probably spot-on in that line of thought, though I'd say that there's plenty of guys who are fine with being guys and don't mind saying so, as well as guys who are ambivalent, guys who believe that masculinity is bad, and guys who have no problems with being male but have success (with some women) via seeming to believe that guyness is bad (or, at least, when that's the angle that might work best, since different women respond to different things -- not all of them closeted lesbians, necessarily).

Have you read Stiffed, by Susan Faludi? It's all about the cultural assault on manhood in this country over the past 30 years.

Aside: This is what I get for commenting before finishing my first cup of coffee (it's office variety, which makes drinking it damned difficult) or eating anything while having a nice headache. Try to be brief, overgeneralize and come out all- or mostly-wrong. Ghaa.

I think any guy who was trying to devise a ploy to get into a woman's pants would probably come up with something way easier and with a higher rate of success. Like getting them drunk and then ignoring them. That's like opening a can of Lipton's instant booty and adding water.

*laugh* You're right. The latter approach works all too often. Maybe my perspective is corrupted by having spent far too much time in theater and the goth scene -- plenty of sensitive types who get the guilty-male thing to work for them (target-rich environment!). I have seen both approaches work, and it's all about the places one chooses to hunt.

I know it's hard for women to understand, what with their irrational blind hatred for all other members of their own gender

Erm. Not full of the irrational blind hatred for all other members of my sex. Seriously. I'm an equal-opportunity misanthrope. Okay, not completely a misanthrope, but mostly. I wasn't properly socialized and crap. Maybe it's like the social indoctrination equivalent of not being housebroken. Some women are full of sisterly sentiments, too. But Margaret Atwood's Catseye does a good job of portraying the viciousness of many women. I've had "friends" full of that covert hostility, too. That's why they're not my friends now. Probably why I've not kept many friends from any time earlier than college, too.

And Schwartzenegger... Orrin Hatch is working on an amendment proposal to change that born-in-the-US requirement for presidency bit in the constitution to must-have-been-a-citizen-for-20-years. Between declaring candidacy and the election, Ahnuld celebrated his 20th year as a US citizen.

Fun, huh?

Work calls, head full of the stabbing pain, stopping now.

[apotheon.livejournal.com]

I'm fine with being a guy* and don't mind saying so.

I may have to read Stiffed -- it sounds interesting.

I actually think the born-in-the-USA requirement is a good one to keep. I'm not sure it's a supportable opinion, though, and might bear thinking about.

[katyakoshka.livejournal.com]

I may have to read Stiffed -- it sounds interesting.

I confess, despite my pimping of it, I haven't read it. I've read Backlash, so I should probably balance out the reading, no?

I actually think the born-in-the-USA requirement is a good one to keep.

I can see both sides of it, but the 20 years residence proposal particularly bothers me. Another Congressman is working on his own proposal for an amendment that would make it a 35-year requirement, which makes naturalization equivalent to being reborn, almost.

except that it means that I'll forever be less pretty than whoever I'm dating, which constitutes something of a blow to the ego

*laugh* That is a down-side, I suppose.

[apotheon.livejournal.com]

I have a problem with a 35-year requirement, as well, because it becomes effectively a shrinking standard as humans average longer lifespans.

Note: Being single for too long can be a bigger blow to the ego, though. I guess it's better to date someone prettier than me. Oh, yeah, there's that whole lack-of-chest-hair thing that women benefit from, too. That's another downside to being a guy.

though shamefully enough

[herbaliser.livejournal.com]

nothing will get me hopping into bed faster than a guy with a great sob story about how women treat him like shit.

Re: though shamefully enough

[apotheon.livejournal.com]

<makes a note>

. . . how well does this translate to other women?

Re: though shamefully enough

[herbaliser.livejournal.com]

as far as i know it's really rare.

Re: though shamefully enough

[apotheon.livejournal.com]

Darn. I guess I'm still in search of the Great Secret to Not Being Ignored By The Smart Chicks.

pretty sure it's just like any other chick

[herbaliser.livejournal.com]

just prove you're her superior.

Re: pretty sure it's just like any other chick

[apotheon.livejournal.com]

That doesn't work. Trust me on this. Besides, that always fades given time. Women are always on the lookout for how they're actually better than the men in their lives, and I'm not willing to be physically abusive to quell that uppity attitude. I guess I'm just consigned to a life full of short, torrid romances.