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[lauralh]

Week two of birth control is about over. I haven't gained an ounce, haven't grown breasts, haven't lost my sex drive, and my skin is not clearing up. In fact I'm losing weight, my boobs seem to be smaller, my libido is as bad as it's ever been, and I'm getting a few more zits than normal. I suspect that my body has upped its testosterone production to counter the estro/progesto it's been receiving. Like the opposite of Bob and his Bitch Tits.

OMFG I am so fucking pissed off. I truly hate Bush, because he hates me, because I'm a woman.

The Pho Coma is no more. I went to get some Pho and couldn't. So I got Thai instead. Cutest little restaurant ever, open till 10 most nights. I'm sure it's about to go out of business; Friday lunch time there were three people in there.

It's hot for Seattle but the humidity is record low. So it's incredibly pleasant. I'm southern enough that I refuse to wear shorts unless it's over 80 degrees. I got a little bit of color. Very little, as I didn't want to burn.

EDIT: just in case you missed it in the whole abortion debate comments.

Comments

[katyakoshka.livejournal.com]

I truly hate Bush, because he hates me, because I'm a woman.

I've said the exact same thing. And it is true. He hates women. All those fuckers do.

And I will revile them in return. Of course, it would be better to take part in fighting back. And that's my own damned fault.

[fidelity-astro.livejournal.com]

percentage-wise, more women are pro-life than are men.



also, the partial birth abortion was invented specifically because it was faster. it has no other benefits and there has never been a single case in which it medically necessary. it's also pretty gruesome.



so chill, ladies




(besides, bush has never been in favor of banning abortion, or don't you remember his campaign?)

[cpf.livejournal.com]

Percentage-wise, more women get abortions than men.

Odds are the upped percentile of pro-lifers are ones that are scared of the procedure, or any surgery for that matter. There's a lot of emotional/chemical fallout from having an abortion as well. This does not necessarily make it "wrong".

And a lot of those guys are teen dads and deadbeats who didn't want the kid and won't be there to support it.

[fidelity-astro.livejournal.com]

why yes. i'm sure that's the most logical explanation for that statistic. besides, um, the obvious one

you know, that people have their own opinions and stuff.

[hotcrab.livejournal.com]

my opinion is thats a bad haircut

[hotcrab.livejournal.com]

actually, when you consider the "gag rule", he is anti-choice.
we no longer provide aid to any international organization that even uses the word "abortion"

the banning of partial-birth abortion is not as insignificant as it seems. while i will certainly agree that it is not a pretty picture, this is just another example of conservatives chipping away the row v. wade decision.

making abortion illegal isn't going to stop women from having abortions. its just going to make sure that more of them die in the process. frankly, thats disgusting.

[fidelity-astro.livejournal.com]

ugh. who says "anti-choice"?

we let you say "pro-choice" and you let us say "pro-life" i think is a pretty fair deal. i mean, pro-life is a bit more descriptive than pro-choice, which is pretty much the boradest most vague sounding term in political vocabulary.



but seriously you rude motherfucker, you're points have nothing to do with anything because:


1. Bush isn't in favor of banning abortions. I didn't say he was "pro-choice" (whatever the fuck that means)

2. Not as insignificant as it seems? Could you maybe back that up? A little? I mean, at least I provided some reasons when I said it WAS insignificant. And the slippery slope argument is totally gay. (Hot tip: call me on being a homophobe!)

3. NO ONE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT MAKING ABORTIONS ILLEGAL



geez

[hotcrab.livejournal.com]

i hear people who identify themselves as "pro-life" use the term "pro-abortion" on the radio all the time.

"pro-choice" means i think people should have the right to make their own choice. think of it as "freedom" if you will.

"pro-life" means you like life, i guess. i like life, i must be pro-life.

"pro-abortion" means everyone should get one. like television.

"anti-choice" means you are against people having their own choice. you want to make that choice for them. this, in my mind, is the most valid name for the anti-abortion movement.

banning partial birth abortions is removing an option from women, restricting their ability to choose. this action would therefore be "anti-choice"

and as for being rude, i thought there was an implied little smiley at the end of my comment, i'm sorry you didn't get it, but it sounds like maybe you have that problem a lot.

[herbaliser.livejournal.com]

It's not just the D&X. (http://www.aclu.org/ReproductiveRights/ReproductiveRights.cfm?ID=12813&c=143)

[sativaleaf.livejournal.com]

As much as I support a woman's right to choose, and am usually at odds with this administrations policies and ideals, I am in agreement with the fact that partial-birth abortions are just wrong (unless there's something REALLY wrong w/ the child genetically)...

Hypathetically speaking, there's gotta be a special place in hell for women who wait THAT long to kill their kid... I mean really... that's just sick as well as irresponsible.
I think it's sad that they even need to PASS a law like that...

[herbaliser.livejournal.com]

The main problem is though that there's no HEALTH PROVISION in the bill. Like, if the mother's life is in danger, BIG DEAL.

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[sativaleaf.livejournal.com]

Totally.
And that's the problem I have with the administration... the half-assness of the policies...

Most definitely an important detail to omit.

[fidelity-astro.livejournal.com]

(reiterating something i said)


i actually watched the entire senate debate of this bill on c-span and while i was conflicted at the beginning, by the end i was pretty solidly in favor of it.

the thing is that there's never been a single recorded case when it's been medically necessary, and not only that those in favor of it can't even describe a case where it WOULD be. basically the only reason that the practice exists is because it's much faster than a regular abortion and therefore takes up less of a doctor's time.


another intresting thing about it is that it wasn't invented by an OBGYN (as regular abortion methods were) but rather by someone who just made his living performing abortions, so it's not exactly the most scientific thing.

[onewhoknows.livejournal.com]

hmm, that's a really good point. i am in agreement with you over that.

i feel like abortion is sometimes a necessary evil, and that's one of the situations in which i really can understand it. what i can't understand is what someone previously commented, which was something along the lines of, "lots of these babies have teenage fathers or deadbeat dads who don't even want them," like that is some kind of excuse!

it allllll goes back to this silly NO SEX ED WHATSOEVER policy that everybody's got. don't those dumb conservatives realize that less people would have abortions in the first place if they knew how to prevent children BEFORE pregnancy? i mean, duh to the infinitieth degree.

also, there are lots and lots of people who wait (literally) YEARS before they can adopt a baby. not that i completely condone this silly idea of only adopting newborns, but the fact still remains that lots of people want your baby if you don't. unless you have some majorly compelling reason to have an abortion, my opinion is that you should just suck it up and deal with it. i know i would feel really crappy about myself if i had an abortion just so i didn't have to get fat.

[herbaliser.livejournal.com]

Really I don't think that people who have to "suck it up and deal with it" are the best choices to have babies. Adoption is a crapshoot because no one wants anything but healthy white babies.

[84.livejournal.com]

I would very much like to be proven wrong on this issue in the future, but I am of the mind that this is just the first step in a long process of undermining women's rights in general. Maybe the procedure isn't necessary so much as it is convenient, but if that's the case, where does the line get drawn on necessary? How many are REALLY necessary?

[herbaliser.livejournal.com]

My personal opinion is that there aren't enough, but then, I'm pretty misanthropic that way.

[hotcrab.livejournal.com]

we're just trying to keep you down as long as possible, until you figure out we're unneccessary

[sativaleaf.livejournal.com]

Where is the line drawn anywhere in this society? It's a matter of social acceptability, really.
Not that I'm 'Pro-Bush', but I really have a hard time believing that Bush hates his wife or his daughters, or his mother... that's just an asinine train of thought.

Bottom line, people are irresponsible... irresponsible with thier bodies, irresponsible with other people's bodies, and it sucks that we even need laws determining what is and isn't acceptable...

Imagine everyone acted and carried themselves properly... ha!

[firpish.livejournal.com]

Here: http://www.amptoons.com/blog/000495.html

And here: http://www.amptoons.com/blog/000500.html

Here, too: http://www.amptoons.com/blog/000514.html

And, of course, here: http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2003/01/03/christian/index.html

The last one is from Salon (a liberal/lefty source), sure, but it's still factually relevant.

And, if we're bothering to listen to campaign promises here, I'll have to remind you that Bush also said the job of the US Military wasn't nation building. So much for campaign promises.

For those of you who watched the Senate Debate and ended up agreeing with it, I'll mention that every single witness that was up there had to be approved by a committee that's dominated by Republicans. It's one of Amp's (from Alas, a Blog) beefs; the other side was simply not presented. Anyway, a partial birth abortion ban is pretty unconstitutional if it doesn't hold a health clause. And of the 31 states who've tried to ban partial birth abortions in the past, every one of those that've come up against the courts has failed against the the rigors of Consitutionality, and have been declared illegal.

[sarahbliss.livejournal.com]

If it's liberal or lefty, it is most likely more factual and well-researched, IMO. It's the righties that don't care about facts or making asses of themselves.

[sarahbliss.livejournal.com]

Yay, another man who can't get his facts straight about an issue that doesn't pertain to them.

Oh, and guys, unless you personally get a woman pregnant, stay the fuck out of the abotion debate, it's not your issue. When you have the capabilities to get pregnant and carry a child to term and give birth to it, then it can become your issue.

Though I do appreciate the men intelligent enough to see that we are all pro-life, but some of us are not anti-choice. So anti-choice and pro-choice are perfectly corect terms.

Oh, and sorry to say, but this procedure *has* been done due to the medical risks of the mother, though not often. They make up such a small portion of the abortions, this is just the first rung on the right-wing ladder of misogyny.

I value the mother's life over the life of the unborn.

[aefirpo.livejournal.com]

That's an entirely unproductive attitude, especially since the policy makers who have control over this issue are almost entirely men. Any issue is open up to debate, and rightfully should be, from any perspective, especially when one of the issues at hand is constitutionality. The abortion issue is an issue of women's right, yes. Women's rights aren't soley the concern of women, because, as the bumper sticker reads, Women's Rights are Human Rights.

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[sarahbliss.livejournal.com]

I wasn't referring to you in my previous post , but I appreciate your viewpoint. You're right, women's rights aren't soley the concern of women, just like gay rights aren't just for gys to be concerned about. But when it comes down to brass tacks, it is my body and nobody wil control it but me. If I want an abortion at 7 mos because I find out I have lupus or something, that is my right to pick and choose my own health procedures and the course my life takes.

Bill Hicks said "You're not a person until you're listen in my phone book." Well, a baby is not a person to me until it is out of my body. Until then, it's an extension of me, and my rights over my own body, the only thing in the world I have complete control over, override any faux moral high ground anti-choice people take. Anti-choice, pro-death penalty, anti-choice, pro cutting social services that help avoid unwanted pregnancies...anti-choice, pro-cutting services that help mothers who decided not to have abortion raise their child. Can we get some logic up in here? Its pretty easy to avoid abortion, and if you are against it, then fund daycare, fully fund children's health care, fully fund women's reproductive health, and voila, there will be less abortions, and less unwanted unplanned pregnancies. It works over in Europe, their teen pregnancy rate is lower than ours in most western European countries where reproductive rights are funded and based on logic instead of emotion.

I also think assisted suicide should be legal, as should most drugs. It. Is. Your. Body. You are the one who has control over it, and it isn't the responsibility of some guy in the beltway to dictate how you choose your life path.%

[harryh.livejournal.com]

But it is the opinion of many who are against abortion that a fetus, and especially a very late term fetus that is capable of living on its own outside the womb, is a person deserving of all the rights and privileges of any other person. This is a defensible point of view, and simply dismissing it seems somewhat foolish.

The problem with the abortion debate is that it all boils down to the impossible problem of trying to define an inherently grey situation in black and white terms.

At what point should a human being inherit the rights of all other human beings?

I think most people agree that it's pretty ridiculous to say that this should happen at the moment of conception when the embryo is a tiny being with only a few cells, similarly I think most people agree that it's pretty ridiculous to say that an 8 month old fetus capable of sustaining itself outside the womb isn't deserving on any consideration whatsoever.