yes, I am annoyed

[lauralh]

But this is a lot more annoying.

Comments

[pootrootbeer.livejournal.com]

I fear what the results would have been if the initiatives were to exclude interracial relationships from the definition of marriage.

[geah.livejournal.com]

Sorry to inform you, but people would vote overwhelmingly to keep it legal.

[geah.livejournal.com]

Absolutely. I don't think a vote to ban interracial marriage could get over 10% in any state. OTOH, I bet a lot of black women would vote for a ban!

[victory-goddess.livejournal.com]

But look at it this way, it's 11 states most homosexuals wouldn't be caught dead in for fear of being shot by a redneck.

[herbaliser.livejournal.com]

OREGON???

[victory-goddess.livejournal.com]

Whoops, overlooked that one. What the hell happened?

[wanton-bliss.livejournal.com]

Who needs rednecks?

I just plain wouldn't be caught dead in Oregon.

[bewing.livejournal.com]

Yeah, surprised the hell out of me.
Might be because Oregonians have a flaming aversion to making constitutional changes. Many will vote "no" automatically on an amendment, no matter how good it is.

[janietrain.livejournal.com]

I actually just posted on this topic. In Kentucky, ALL domestic partnerships were banned, as well. Not only that but they managed to extend the bigotry to heterosexual domestic partnerships. If you're unmarried, you can no longer receive an emergency protective order if you're being abused.

75/25. That was the final tally on this nonsense.

[lemur68.livejournal.com]

In Ohio, at least we can take solace that the margin was smaller than in most states (63-37 or something).

[janietrain.livejournal.com]

That's just about the only thing Ohio can be proud of this afternoon.

[lemur68.livejournal.com]

SAD

[lemur68.livejournal.com]

Hilarity ensues as one lone gay-marriage-ban supporter attempts to defend herself in hostile territory like a raw steak defending itself against a tank of piranhas.

[bitchness.livejournal.com]

There appears to still be room in Canada... and hey, tehy have free health care too!

[harryh.livejournal.com]

Not free, paid for by taxes.

[geah.livejournal.com]

And it's not health care on the level we expect here in the US.

[bitchness.livejournal.com]

The level we expect here in the US? What exactly is that? I'm a single healthy 29 year old woman with two physically healthy children. My oldest daughter has severe emotional problems due to trauma when that occurred she was 5. Medical insurance in this country is so high that a large number of people (me included) simply can't afford it. Do you know how much a good psychiatrist costs nowadays? Or even a short pediatrician visit? It's obscene. I'd like to think that Canadian medical care would be better than none at all. I don't see Canadians dropping dead in the streets from lack of doctors, after all. So I'm thrilled that you get spectacular medical care, but the rest of us just can't afford it.

[geah.livejournal.com]

I have a Canadian friend who is dying of cancer. The treatment that he would get immediately in the US is rationed in Canada, so he has to wait. Let's hope he doesn't get a casket before he gets treatment.

[bitchness.livejournal.com]

Who would pay for his treatment in the US? His insurance company. That he would have to pay for. If he didn't pay for it, he wouldn't get treatment, or adequate treatment. Sorry, that argument doesn't hold much water. I have a friend who lost her 2 year old to cancer a few months ago, read some of my public post from May and August and you'll see his picture. They lost everything they had paying for his treatments because they didn't have adequate insurance. I'm sorry for your friend, cancer is an evil disease, but living in Canada makes him no worse off than living in the states would.

[geah.livejournal.com]

Who would pay for his treatment in the US? His insurance company.

Exactly. He works for a mid-size company that would absolutely have health insurance for an upper-level employee such as him.

[bitchness.livejournal.com]

Ooohh... I get it. People who have money are the only ones who deserve health care. Gotcha.

[bitchness.livejournal.com]

And my taxes pay for... a war that I didn't want, a substandard school system, a medicare system that doesn't work, some Halliburton executive's next vacation, welfare for all of the people the Bush administration has put out of work by subsidizing outsourcing... what else? I pay taxes already, it might be a good thing to pay taxes that actually do me some good instead of funding a war against an idea.

[herbaliser.livejournal.com]

also, the war on Drugs.

[bitchness.livejournal.com]

Oh jesus I almost forgot about that. Let's put a shitload of pot smokers and non-violent offenders in prison, and let out the murderers and rapists early to make room for them, while at the same time creating more violent criminals. That's a great plan, and I'm glad I'm paying for it.

[geah.livejournal.com]

You might want to talk to President Clinton about that. The Clinton Administration put more people in federal prison for drug crimes than any other.

Sad to say, the War On Drugs is a bi-partisan fiasco.

[bitchness.livejournal.com]

Clinton didn't coin the phrase "war on drugs". Clinton didn't appoint the first "drug tzar". He certainly did nothing to change it, but all that shit was started by the Republican Party and dear old Dad Bush. It would have been political suicide for Clinton to repeal the drug laws at that time, it was an incredibly popular "program". Still is, unfortunately.

[geah.livejournal.com]

Where in the world did you get the idea that GHWBush started the War On Drugs?

Here's a story on Clinton about his part in the War On Drugs from a source I'm sure you agree with:

http://www.commondreams.org/views/071800-105.htm

[bitchness.livejournal.com]

Where in the world did you get the idea that GHWBush started the War On Drugs?

Because he did? Clinton didn't start it hon, and he wasn't the first to appoint a "drug tzar", that was GHW's baby, back when he was VP under Reagan. I was in elementary school when the war on drugs began, it wasn't something that Clinton came up with, no matter how you spin it. Like I said before, he perpetuated it, but he didn't start it.

And I have no idea why you think you know what kind of publication I would agree with. I am neither familiar with that site, nor do I know it's credentials.

[perich.livejournal.com]

From the first paragraph:

"Voters in the barely-civilized, uninformed farming, fishing, mining and logging communities of this great nation all approved anti-same-sex marriage amendments by double-digit margins."

... least, that's how it showed up on my screen.

[herbaliser.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I dunno, I don't really consider OR and WA to be all that different, so I'm pretty shocked at that one.

[geah.livejournal.com]

And without all those people, you'd starve in the dark and cold.

[perich.livejournal.com]

Yup.

[pootrootbeer.livejournal.com]

Maybe we should just try civilizing and educating them, then.

[geah.livejournal.com]

Exactly...and that civilizing and educating will be a two-way street.

but it's all connected

[bythesea.livejournal.com]

i was reading some polls and the single most important thing to people voting for bush was not security or iraq or terrorism, but 'moral values' which i translate to mean "being anti-gay marriage." what i want to know, is how you can choose your candidate based on an issue that in no way concerns YOU personally and is in the grand scheme of things pretty insignificant. yet idly sit by as people are being killed daily. it just blows my mind!!