cos i want to

[lauralh]

so I said:

Do guys just take "brotherhood" so seriously they feel guilty for bad things other men do? Or are they just trying to impress women this way? If the latter I'm going to excuse it briefly and just yell at women who fall for it.

and katyakoshka said:

The latter. I'll join the others saying it's a "look, see, I'm a sensitive guy" ploy to get in women's pants.

and billyfleetwood said:

are you hypothesizing that these guys are regular macho pinheads, who are merely pretending to be sensitive to get laid? Sounds farfetched to me. I think there really is an entire generation of men who truly do believe that masculinity is a bad thing. Why do they believe this? because women have been screaming it from the rooftops for the past 30 odd years. What noone told these guys is that women rarely say what they actually mean.

"I just want to be listened to", really means, "I just want to talk more, I don't really expect you to listen, because if you did, I wouldn't have anything to complain to my girlfriends about"

But these guys never got that memo, and yeah they're out there, emoting and being supportive, and listening and shit. and not getting ANY pussy. None. I've met these guys. They're the ones who will be in a room full of men, No women for miles in any direction, and they will claim they don't like strip clubs....

Whatever, dude. More lapdances for me. If you've internalized your masculine guilt to the point that you can't admit to a room full of men that strip clubs are awesome? Really really super awesome!!! That ain't a ruse, that's mental illness.

That's why it's implausible that the sensitive guy angle would be adopted as a booty-gatherin' strategy. It only works on closet lesbians,and everyone involved is usually confused and miserable. I think any guy who was trying to devise a ploy to get into a woman's pants would probably come up with something way easier and with a higher rate of success. Like getting them drunk and then ignoring them. That's like opening a can of Lipton's instant booty and adding water.

p.s. yes, men do exhibit a certain amount of brotherhood.I know it's hard for women to understand, what with their irrational blind hatred for all other members of their own gender, but the concept of bro-hood does exist, and actually comes in handy when the Germans get a little uppity, as they're wont to do every once in a while. Yeah Swarzenegger, don't think we won't be watching your ass. One day his boots are gonna get a little too shiny, and the people of california are gonna start thinking long and hard about Gary Coleman's leadership abilities.And I don't wanna hear that "But he's Austrian" crap. Austria is like the Nazi version of the MTV Beach house.

Sorry, I got a little off topic there.

Comments

[monstrosity.livejournal.com]

Since when did femininity become the same as weakness?

[herbaliser.livejournal.com]

er, a few hundred years ago?

[agingyoungrebel.livejournal.com]

I'm sensitive, I don't like strip clubs (even though (or perhaps because) I know (and like) quite a few strippers), and I do get laid...

[vyacheslav.livejournal.com]

I don't like strip clubs but only because I feel too much pressure on how much to tip. Otherwise, yay strip clubs.

[billyfleetwood.livejournal.com]

If they're on stage you give them dollar bills. If they're sitting in your lap you give them a 20, if they ask for ask for 30 you give them a 20 anyway, cause you already have a boner and an extra ten isn't gonna get you "more boner". if you're in the "vip room" you give them every penny you have to your name, and then your friends tease you for the rest of your life for being such a dumbass.

[vyacheslav.livejournal.com]

Well she was on my lap and all that and I gave her a dollar because I wasn't sure howmuch to give her. Clearly she was underpaid but she kissed me anyway. Maybe that was her revenge...

[herbaliser.livejournal.com]

was that in Ypsi?

[vyacheslav.livejournal.com]

No it was here in Jackson, although I have heard lots of good things about the Ypsi scene.

[sisyphus.livejournal.com]

This billyfleetwood is wise.

[perich.livejournal.com]

Just because the sensitive guy strategy is completely ineffective at getting men laid doesn't mean that men don't adopt it for that purpose. It means they shouldn't, rather.

[apotheon.livejournal.com]

This may sound like a cop-out on answering the question, but it's true:

It depends.

Sometimes, billyfleetwood is right. Sometimes, katyakoshka is right. Sometimes, they're both completely, utterly wrong.

Some sensitive "pussy" guys get laid a lot (and not just by closet lesbians). Some guys use the "sensitive angle" and succeed. Some use it and fail. Some guys don't use it at all, and are really obtuse assholes -- which sometimes works, and sometimes doesn't.

Personally, I'm not enthused about the concept of strip clubs, but I've never been inside one while the stripping was going on. On the other hand, my reaction to men treating women badly isn't to assume guit by association but to compose a rant on how a combination of radical feminism and corporate law have combined to form Voltron a social free pass for assholes to ignore individual responsibility and treat women badly, thus making it more difficult to find a woman willing to trust an honest man.

I know, I'm not normal . . . and probably not healthy. C'est la vie.

i am only coherent enough right now to say...

[herbaliser.livejournal.com]

VOLTRON!!!!

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[apotheon.livejournal.com]

RULE!!!

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[lemur68.livejournal.com]

But only the five lions Voltron. The one made up of the 2 dozen little cars blows.

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[apotheon.livejournal.com]

There was another one that was three robots that combined to form a larger, six-armed (or was it four-armed?) robot. It never made it to US television, though. I had the toy. In the Voltron Universe, I think it was supposed to have existed after the lion-Voltron and before the car-Voltron.

[andrewx.livejournal.com]

most dudes feel a sort of brotehrhood, sort of. we feel like dudes generally feel about shit, and so typically identify with other dudes more. a lot of us don't understand the women for the same reasons. it bonds us together in a way. but we're still competitive over women when it comes to sex and stuff, it's just not so underhanded and catty as women get about it. it's done with a more sportsmanlike attitude, or something. except when some bitch ass vegan eliot smith wannabe accoustic jam boy tries to play down the rest of his gender to make his pussy ass look good to some granola ass hippie chick, which never really works out for him anyway... so un-sincere to himself and others! they're always the ones that have all female friends and secretly want to fuck every one of them... no matter what they say.