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best article about the worthlessness of marriage ever.

[livejournal.com profile] aefirpo: This article is like all my rage at the modern institute of marraige, cynical postmodern/post-feminist/post-capitalist American culture and child-rearing all written down and laid out before me.

Getting ready to write part two of Stupid Relationship Tricks.

Date: 2003-09-23 12:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jimbojones.livejournal.com
Getting ready to write part two of Stupid Relationship Tricks.
When are you going to write about Stupid Lack of Relationship Tricks?

Date: 2003-09-23 12:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] herbaliser.livejournal.com
When I get one, obviously...

Date: 2003-09-23 03:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sisyphus.livejournal.com
a scary mini-chapter called "The Do-It-Yourself Solution,"

Why would that be scary? Masturbation is scary? I don't get it.

When I asked her about what I had been hearing, she told me that she has seen many married couples who have gone without sex for periods of time ranging from six months to six years.

They left out an essential clause. This probably should have read:

When I asked her about what I had been hearing, she told me that she has seen many married couples who have gone without sex with each other for periods of time ranging from six months to six years.

The book advises the housewife to prepare for her husband's arrival at the end of the day: to have dinner ready, to minimize household noise and clutter, to avoid assaulting her man with a list of domestic problems and disappointments, and to inquire about his day.

Ah, those halcyon days.

Date: 2003-09-23 06:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jimbojones.livejournal.com
Dude, you have a Lack of Relationship right now.

Date: 2003-09-23 08:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] herbaliser.livejournal.com
oooh, I've been linked! (http://www.livejournal.com/users/ladytabitha/807080.html)

Date: 2003-09-23 10:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aefirpo.livejournal.com
Er, 'masturbation is scary when it replaces sex as a solution for marital sexual frustration,' I think is the point.

Date: 2003-09-23 10:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harryh.livejournal.com
First working mothers were responsible for the financial ruin of the modern american family? And now it's their fault that married people aren't having sex?

I dunno about you, but a lot of that sounds like bullshit. As I understand it, the picture of the single worker nuclear family is mostly a myth. It was really only for a very short time after WWII that anything approximating that ideal had any basis in reality.

for the lower classes, definitely

Date: 2003-09-23 10:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] herbaliser.livejournal.com
but middle and upper classes?

anyway I don't see how you can argue that both partners working is going to put stress and strain on a relationship, and ergo sex may suffer as a result. It's not like the author made these couples up, after all.

Date: 2003-09-23 10:36 am (UTC)

Re: for the lower classes, definitely

Date: 2003-09-23 11:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harryh.livejournal.com
I'll look for some links later on the history of women in the workplace, but the general tone of the article kind of bugged me. A lot of it seemed to be saying that if women got back in the kitchen where they belonged then everything would be A-OK again.

Re: for the lower classes, definitely

Date: 2003-09-23 11:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] herbaliser.livejournal.com
that really wasn't the impression i got from it, but I guess we all bring our own prejudices into these things.

(for example, I got the impression that getting married and having kids is really a dumb idea sexually speaking.)

Date: 2003-09-23 12:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladytabitha.livejournal.com
Dude, you just got street cred.  Don't spend it all in one place.

Date: 2003-09-23 12:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrs-virus.livejournal.com
Anyone who generalizes the concept of the marriage life-partnership is a moron. Marriages are as individual as people. It's like skillful jazz, and good modern art, you either get it or you don't. It doesn't always mean kids, it doesn't always mean the suburbs, it doesn't always mean lack of sex, it doesn't always mean a system, and hey guess what? There's more to life than just sex. It's really not all that important in the grand scheme of a lifetime. It seems that that old saying "those who can't stop talking about it must not be getting it" is true. Writers that tend to rail against marriage and monogamy seem unnaturally obscessed with only the sexual aspect of the relationships they attempt to write about but know so little of. Methinks the writer of this ignorant drivel doth protest a bit much about not getting much...

Date: 2003-09-23 01:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] herbaliser.livejournal.com
while I agree that saying "every single marriage is like X" is stupid, the article was written by interviewing real-life married folks. And maybe the author is among those, but so what?

I'm super-glad your marriage isn't in that category. My last relationship wasn't technically a marriage, but reading the first two paragraphs was a serious flashback for me. Although basically the guy was just never in the mood and would rarely let me try to put him there.

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